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Rob Butterss Board Media Conference

Possible issues attributing to the challenge
The reasons for the challenge is unclear before 10am Tuesday, as the challenging ticket hasn't officially put its case forward yet, but some of the following perceived issues are speculated to have triggered the discontent amongst some supporters and past players.

- No elite training facility 4 years after promise
- Decline in membership in '07
- Poor media representation by the President
- Loss of quality staff over the past year
- Ken Sheldon's position
- Football department issues
- Handling of Baker tribunal incident
- Concern about alternative revenue streams
- Loss of major sponsors
- The clubs home; Moorabbin or elsewhere
- Questions on relationship with council
- Wasted money Moorabbin Redevelopment
- Rod Butterss / Grant Thomas public spat
- Possible sweetheart deals

Other issues that may arise during challenge:

- The sacking of Grant Thomas
- Defensive game plan - 1st half of season
- Not making the Finals
- Ineffective supporter communications

The above information was based on a post by 'Oh When the Saints' on the 'Burkey about to talk on SEN' thread - saintsational.com (additional information and editing by WoM Ed)

Burkey about to talk on SEN!!! saintsational.com

THE BOARD - SUPPORTERS WISH-LIST

What happened to normal elections?
Once upon a time . . . if you believed you had something to contribute as Board (committee) member at a club you declared your hand . . . detailed what you had to offer . . . and stood for election at the normal elections. You might also talk to a few like minded souls . . . who might also stand . . . Why these days do people believe that they have to work "undercover" and that they have to "oust" others?

Should not a club Board . . . and I emphasise CLUB, be one of continual change where new blood comes and goes (as it has with the current Board) . . . and yes where from time to time this includes the President, VP etc . . . I must admit that this whole concept of a group meeting clandestinely as if they have the right to decide who is on the Board concerns me. They have the right to put their hands up . . . but they do not have the right to decide who should be on the Board. At the end of the day the members should decide.

If people want to stand . . . and this is a virtue and good on them for wanting to contribute . . . it should be done out in the open.

Lets know who they are are . . . and what they stand for . . . lets know WHY they believe that they will be better for the Saints. This should not be about personalities or about egos (though lets be honest NO ONE without a healthy ego is going to put themselves up for the angst that being a Board Member entails if they do not have shall we say a healthy ego . . .) I am not against change . . . and indeed support change if it means that the saints will be better off. But it needs to be change for a benefit . . . and not just because some feel aggrieved about past decisions. anyone can whinge . . . but FEW can put up SOLUTIONS. So if we are to have a so called "alternate" Board stand . . .

what I want to hear from the is about OUR future, The saints FUTURE . . . and so I want SOLUTIONS . . . I want to know what their VISION is and what are their PLANS to achieve it. I don't want vague motherhood statements . . . .I want to see some precise Detail on what they can offer MY Club . . . what they can OFFER OUR club.
The Post by 'saintsRrising' saintsational.com

Our 2007 list

Our 2007 list . . . and some thoughts on each player
by 'saintsRrising' - saintsational.com
Allen, Jarryd
Injury held him back in 2007, but as a young tall in his first years was unlikely to have played much anyway. The glimpses he showed he looked good. Look for him to start to emerge in 2008. Can he be groomed as a future FB??? The requirement for athleticism may well see him move past Watts as the 3rd tall up forward long term.

Armitage, David
Fitness, Fitness, Fitness. Needs to spend the summer running. He has the raw talent, but needs to greatly improve his stamina. If he does he should get a number of games in 2008.

Attard, Jayden (R)
Had a good first year with us. Is a very good stopper. Just needs to settle and win a bit more ball. Should become a good steady player for us. May not make the "best 22", but if not should be handy.

Baker, Steven
Bakes has a HUGE target on him now . . . and playing with this is going to be a huge mental demon for him in 2008. bakes is a great clubman though ad I am sure that he will overcome this latest hurdle.

Ball, Luke
Luke is only a shadow of what he can be . . . and his future would seem to rest in the hands of a surgeon and whether the operation can restore Lukes body back to near what it needs to be. If he can Ball will once again become our inside tough nut and engine room. If not . . . then sadly Luke will be limited to be a steady GOP . . . and unfortunately against the best of teams you need more than that in your midfield.

Birss, Shane
Started the year interrupted by injury. Late in the year at full fitness he proved to be handy run with stopper that can gain useful possessions. Needs to tighten up on his disposal . . . but should be good value in our midfield in 2008, not as a star no . . . but yes but as a good quality bottom six player

Blake, Jason
Blake probably had his best year ever under Roos. Ross used him very well having the knack of finding the right match ups for him. sometimes creative ones such as when he played on and beat Crawford and played one of his best games ever for the club. He only played him in the ruck when he had a suitable opponent. Some games you are left think yes . . . he can be a good steady bottom 6 player for us . . . but in other games he will have some horrific brain fades and poor use of the ball. Blake will be our barometer in 2008 . . . if our list improves such that he is squeezed out we will have very good year. If he plays most games then we will be in the lower part of the 8. Then again Blake may lift and remove his brain fades and poor disposal and become a genuine bottom sixer rather than a fringe player.

• The Full List This site

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See also:
• Dascman's '07 List Appraisal This site








Football first for Saints rebels
The group challenging for power at St Kilda has said it's extremely confident of success at an extraordinary general meeting expected to be held in November. The seven-member group, called 'St Kilda Footy First' includes former players Nathan Burke and Andrew Thompson who played the last of his 221 games for the club against Richmond last Saturday week, and is headed by the chairman of Gregory's Transport, Greg Westaway. A director on the Saints' existing board, John Gdanski, has switched camps, while leading Industrial Relations QC Mordy Bromberg, who played 34 games for the Saints in the late 70s and Olympic swimming champion Michael Klim have agreed to take up roles on the football sub-committee. At the group's launch at Telstra Dome on Tuesday morning it was announced that a notice would be lodged later in the day for an EGM on the 12th of November. "I think there's a groundswell in the members of the club that they are frustrated and disappointed and we would like to take that away for them," Westaway said. Westaway stressed that senior coach Ross Lyon has the group's "100 per cent support", that he believes club chief executive Archie Fraser is doing "a reasonably good job", and that the group's preference would be to retain its base at Moorabbin. But he said the top priority for his group, which formed early last month after several months of ferment, would be to boost spending on the club's football department. "We could put more money into the football department by using some of the profits that we are making," he said. "For example, instead of retiring all the debt, we would have retired some of it and put more into (the) football (department). This is about an investment in football, and it's football first."
The Article Angus Morgan/Sportal/11Sept07

St Kilda Senior staff members
West of Moorabbin believes that CEO Archie Fraser and other senior staff members would support a spill and have apparently found their positions becoming untenable under the current regime. It is believed that many senior staff members have seriously considered tendering their resignations due to the dysfunctional board and RB's autocratic style of running the club. Whether they believe the 'Footy First' is the ticket they prefer and/or whether any staff members have been in contact with any alternative ticket is not known. However it would be highly unlikely that AF and other senior staff members were unaware of the general outline of this ticket as it is an element of their positions to effectively communicate with the sponsors of the club and to keep abreast with what is going on. It is also still unclear whether another ticket or two will challenge the current board as speculated recently. It is with interest to note that Ross Levin is not on the 'Footy First' ticket as speculated in the press - it is believed that he has been disillusioned with current board organisation and RB's dictatorial style. WoM Ed.

Luke Ball's Telstra deal riles Vodafone
St Kilda holds Ball, Vodafone can kick free
. . . St Kilda Football Club's naming-rights sponsorship deal with Vodafone is on the line this week, and the other clubs are ready to swoop. Leading the pack is Carlton Football Club, run by Visy Industries boss Richard Pratt. Pratt has apparently made Vodafone an offer as befits a billionaire - sponsor the Blues, and every mobile phone at Visy will be switched to Vodafone. Vodafone came on board with the Saints last year, joining Bill Express as co-sponsor of the club. But this week's discussions will be a venting of frustrations, rather than civilised negotiations. When Vodafone joined the Saints last year, it had no idea club co-captain Luke Ball had an existing deal with Telstra. Ball is one of Telstra's national sporting ambassadors, and this week appeared in a series of ads promoting Telstra's Next G mobile service. "During the footy season, I'm away with the team a lot for games and training," Ball says in the ad. "But with the new phone I'm currently trying out for Telstra on the Next G network, I'm always in range." Hardly the words Vodafone bosses wanted to read over breakfast, and that is exactly how it panned out. "This latest situation is hardly good for our relationship with St Kilda," said a Vodafone executive. "When we did the deal, there was no mention of his (Ball's) contract with Telstra, which was kept from us until after we had signed with the club. It's fair to say we've struggled with our relationship with the Saints this season, and this latest incident just caps it off."
The Article Mark Hawthorne/TheAge/11Sept07

Challenge response from the club
St Kilda Football Club Statement - The St Kilda Football Club this morning has become aware via a media conference that a rebel group is calling for a challenge to the existing board of the Club. At this stage the Club has received no formal notice to this or any other effect. The Club will seek contact with the rebel group to gather all the facts. No further comment will be made by the Club until all the facts and details have been provided by the rebel group.
The Article saints.com.au/11Sept07

'FOOTY FIRST' Ticket update
The 'spill' was announced at Telstra Dome on Tuesday morning - Representatives have been saying that although the club is financially healthy, with the team we have we should be more successful. They place the blame in Rod Butterss corner and believe that he has been too autocratic in his Presidency role. They believe that there should be more staff and money available to the football department. Nathan Burke said that the current staff at the club had a meeting recently and that when asked how things were going the answer was "We are just getting on". Andrew Thompson was interviewed on SEN and he said that he believes that the club needs to spend the money on the football department to improve fitness and do things better. He said that he believes that the ticket will undertake this in a very professional way. He said that John Beveridge shouldn't be driving around looking at players while other club fly their recruiters - He also said that players need to know that when they are injured the best medical support will be available to them to insure that they get back into the team as soon as is possible. Source: WoM Ed (info from SEN reports)

St Kilda 'rebels' seek a change of guard
. . . The Footy First ticket aims to replace six of the St Kilda board members with its candidates but have current director John Gdanski re-elected, after he defected to the challenger. If elected, the group will send a football sub-committee - comprising Burke, Thompson, former player Mordy Bromberg QC and Olympic swimmer Michael Klim - to meet with Lyon to determine what is needed to make the Saints' football department competitive. While the challengers insisted football results were their priority, they said some off-field issues needed addressing. They cited four coaches, five chief executives and four chief financial officers under Butterss' presidency as a sign of instability. Westaway said Butterss' feud with Thomas, whom he sacked last year and resulted in legal action, was also an unwelcome distraction. St Kilda must also decide whether to remain at their Moorabbin base, which is due for redevelopment. Westaway was "extremely" confident the group would gain support. "I think there's a groundswell in the members of the club that they are frustrated and they're disappointed and we would like to take that away for them," he said. St Kilda said it would seek talks with the rebels, but a club spokeswoman said Butterss would not comment on Tuesday.
The Article AAP/RealFooty/11Sept07

St Kilda board challenged
The St Kilda board is under challenge from a group aiming to prioritise the Saints' onfield ambitions in the AFL. The Group, called St Kilda Footy First, is being spearheaded by Gregory's Transport owner Greg Westaway and includes former Saints players Nathan Burke and Andrew Thompson. It will aim to oust the current board led by incumbent president Rod Butterss. Westaway's ticket claims the St Kilda board has put too much money towards reducing the club's debt and neglected the football department. It claims the Saints rank last in the league in football spending, last in staff numbers and second last in recruitment spending. The ticket claims not enough money has been spent addressing the injury problems that have plagued St Kilda in recent years. Westaway is confident St Kilda members will support his ticket as they were frustrated by the club's inability to have reached a grand final in recent years despite a talented playing list. St Kilda have a solitary premiership despite over 100 years of existence. St Kilda Footy First today lodged a notice to hold an extraordinary general meeting in early November, which called for the current board to be voted out. Current board member John Gdanski will seek re-election with the new ticket after defecting.
The Article Daily Telegraph/11Sept07

Rebel group aims to 'invigorate the Saints'
The St Kilda Football Club says it has had no formal notice of a planned takeover of its board despite a group calling itself 'St Kilda Footy First' announcing such plans at a media conference this morning. The group is led by transport boss Greg Westaway includes former Saints captain Nathan Burke and Melbourne businesswoman Dana Nelson. Burke says it is not possible to spend 20 years at a club without becoming passionate about it. "It becomes an extended family," Burke said. "To sit back and notice some obvious problems with that club and do nothing, to me is not displaying loyalty, so by doing this, I don't think I'm being disloyal in any way, shape or form." Mr Westaway says the group aims to invigorate the Saints. "It's time for St Kilda members to act right now for next year, to choose a team that puts football first," Mr Westaway said. "This is focused on the essential business of being a successful club, providing the right support and strategies to win games. This is a pivotal time in the club's history."
The Article ABCSport/11Sept07

Saints greats waver on board challenge
Recently retired St Kilda player Andrew Thompson was wavering last night whether to be part of a rebel challenge to the club's board. A new group - Footy First - will launch a seven-man ticket at a press conference at Telstra Dome this morning. The launch was scheduled for yesterday, but was changed until 10am today. Thompson was linked to the new group, headed by Gregorys Transport founder Greg Westaway, but is yet to commit after being questioned by some his former teammates and associates on the weekend. A St Kilda director - John Gdanski - will also been named on the rival ticket, which will challenge St Kilda president Rod Butterss and his board. It's expected that the Westaway group will call for a spill of all directors. Former St Kilda captain and triple best-and-fairest winner Nathan Burke will join Thompson, who retired just two weeks ago, on the ticket. Butterss said it was remarkable that current directors, who had been part of the club's decisions, had not had the "guts" to say they had problems. "You think they would have shared those concerns with someone," he said. Burke clearly indicated yesterday that his problem with St Kilda is the on-field performances. While he has been linked with the rebel group for weeks, he still refused to confirm yesterday whether he was on the ticket. "I have been involved with several discussions with actually a number of parties that are like minded," he told SEN yesterday.
The Article Daryl Timms/HeraldSun/11Sept07

Key Saints come out swinging
. . . Butterss, who remained defiant last night and was mustering his forces, said he still could not believe Thompson was a definite member of the challengers who will push for an extraordinary general meeting in order to spill the board . . . Asked his reaction should Thompson prove one of the challengers, Butterss said: "I would be shocked, absolutely shocked." The group, which has been planning its assault on Butterss for several months, has singled its intention to retain coach Ross Lyon but review several key positions, including that of football operations manager Ken Sheldon. A challenge to Butterss' seven-year regime has been inevitable since he launched his spectacular but ill-timed attack on his former close friend, sacked coach Grant Thomas, last June. A series of challenges have been mooted but this one has caused much angst among former club champions, notably Danny Frawley, St Kilda's longest-serving captain, who strongly criticised his close friend Burke on radio Triple M three days ago. Burke's decision to play a key role in a messy board challenge also has surprised another close friend, dual Brownlow medallist Robert Harvey. Frawley, however, is believed to have made peace with Burke and the challengers believe, if successful, they will have strong support from a formidable group of recent past players . . . During Butterss' seven years, the chief executive position has changed five times. The rival ticket is also keen to oust directors Glenn Casey, Mark Kellett and Ray King. Butterss, however, is working overtime to recruit new directors to fight the challenge.
The Article Caroline Wilson/RealFooty/11Sept07

Vodafone won't play ball
Vodafone Australia is on the verge of dumping its naming rights sponsorship of St Kilda, further increasing the pressure on embattled Saints president Rod Butterss. Carlton is looming as the frontrunner to win the Vodafone sponsorship, after billionaire president Richard Pratt made the company a "hard-to-refuse offer". Carlton will offer Vodafone complete access to players, behind-the scenes content from the football club, and Vodafone will be allowed to make a pitch for Visy Industries' entire mobile phone business. "You are absolutely on the money in regard to the Carlton offer," said a source at Vodafone. "But no deal has been signed yet." Last year, Vodafone signed a one-year deal with the Saints, with a further one-year option, but the telecommunications giant has signalled that it will not be involved with the club in 2008. "Carlton threw the kitchen sink at Justin Koschitzke, but we re-signed him," Butterss said. "That said, it's a massive offer to Vodafone. We'll be in there pitching." The other clubs asked by Vodafone to make a pitch were Melbourne, Hawthorn and Geelong. Bill Express, co-naming rights sponsor of the club for the 2007 season, decided not to renew its deal in July this year. If Vodafone leaves, the Saints will be without a major naming rights sponsor for the 2008 season.
The Article Mark Hawthorne/TheAge/11Sept07

Hudghton excited to play on
To most football fans Max Hudghton is known as a strong defender capable of shutting power full forwards out of the game. However, to Saints supporters Hudghton is more than that; he is the soul of the Club's backline. Ever reliable, always committed and forever courageous, Hudghton's presence in the Saints' backline has forged the strong defensive unit that stands today . . . Although affected by injury in 2007, Hudghton still provided a vital contribution to the games he played this season. With determination, skill and belief there is no doubting the influence Hudghton will make to the St Kilda's chances of success in 2008. He believes he still has a significant amount of footy left in him and is looking forward to continuing his career with the Saints.
The Article Vanesssa Gigliotti/saints.com.au/10Sept07

Koschitzke, Fisher re-signed as Saints
. . . Fisher, 25, has emerged as a key member of the Saints' back-line in the past two seasons. In 2006, he finished third in the club's best and fairest and this year has been named in the 40-man squad vying for All-Australian selection. There had been speculation that Carlton had been interested in Koschitzke, who was also linked to the Blues when he last came out of contract, however the importance of the ruckman-forward to the Saints became even greater with last week's retirement of full-forward Fraser Gehrig. Koschitzke, who turns 25 later this month, will play his 100th game for the Saints early next season. The key-position star has had to overcome a series of injuries in his time with the club - the most serious a fractured skull and bleeding on the brain early last year. This year he managed 19 games.
The Article Karen Lyon/RealFooty/09Sept07

AFL club St Kilda board challenge is on
A rival ticket for the St Kilda board will launch a challenge to the incumbent president of the AFL club, Rod Butterss on Tuesday. The ticket will be headed by trucking magnate Greg Westaway, the founder of Gregorys Transport. It is also expected to include former Saints 323-gamer Nathan Burke and midfielder Andrew Thompson, who retired after the Saints' last game of the current season. Two current board members, vice president Ross Levin and John Gdanski, are also believed to be supporting Westaway's challenge. Butterss took over the presidency in 2000.
The Article AAP/SydneyMorningHerald/10Sept07

Ego is not enough to run a successful club
. . . Greg Westaway is a successful businessman, who is reported to be gathering forces to take on Rod Butterss and his board at St Kilda. We have no idea why and neither does the AFL. St Kilda is a well run club, debt has been retired and each 12 months a profit of around $1m is recorded. This year the club's profit will reach an impressive $1.08m after the Saints budgeted for $870,000. Under Butterss the club has been to two preliminary finals while dogged by injury. The presumption that anyone can run a football club is almost specific to the AFL. It is not enough to drive a fine bottom line. It is essential to know the rhythm and lore of football. Some, like Smorgon, never learn it. It applies to chief executives, too, who come into club football simply unprepared for the scrutiny of supporters and the media. For this reason Westaway would be a great risk. The turnover of CEOs has slowed but five years ago it was laughable it was so high. Nathan Burke, a St Kilda champion, who was an assistant coach to Grant Thomas, said on Melbourne radio SEN yesterday that he was talking to several parties interested in taking on Butterss. He did not articulate his position very well. But he has apparently been moved to consider joining a rebel ticket because he thinks the football department could be better run. That is hardly a reason to destabilise a club that could well push deep into the finals next year. Football departments can be made better and should be but it doesn't need a coup to do that. Interestingly, on his retirement three years ago Burke said that the club had never been in better shape. He had a short stint coaching with Thomas but left unexpectedly. Sources said it was because of a falling out with Thomas but both men deny this.
The Article Patrick Smith/TheAge/11Sept07

Westaway ticket launch Tuesday Morning
According to Channel 10 news a challenge will be launched Tuesday morning at Telstra Dome. The 'Ticket' includes Greg Westaway (Gregory's Transport), Nathan Burke, Andrew Thompson, a current board member, a female candidate and a QC. The EGM (Extraordinary General Meeting) is expected to be called following next week's board meeting with the election to take place within 60 days from then. All the above information was from Rob Waters.
The Post 'saintm' saintsational.com

Burke concerned for Saints
Former St Kilda veteran Nathan Burke says he is concerned about the direction the club is heading and is seriously considering joining a ticket to spill the current board. Speaking on SEN, Burke said he has held discussions with a number of parties interested in challenging the current St Kilda board. "There are some people who have some concerns about the direction of the club at the minute," Burke said. "I am sure they will come to light in the not so different future. I have been involved in several discussions with a number of parties. Which way I will actually go I can't tell you at this stage. I can tell you, I personally have some concerns of the way things are heading. It is a big decision and I must think about what is best for the St Kilda Football Club, and that will be the basis of any decision that I come to." Burke also responded to reports in today's Herald Sun that a challenge of the clubs' board would be launched today. "It's probably too early to preempt anything," he said. "I am pretty sure nothing will happen today . . . in due course something will happen."
The Article Brad Klibansky/FootyHeads/10Sept07

Butterss in left dark on rival bid
St Kilda president Rod Butterss said yesterday that he was bewildered that a rival group would today launch a challenge to the Saints board. The group, headed by Gregorys Transport founder Greg Westaway, will announce today that it will launch a rival ticket. The names of those on the ticket, which could include former players Nathan Burke and Andrew Thompson, will be revealed tomorrow. Burke has told friends he will be on the ticket, while the recently retired Thompson has also been approached. Butterss said he had tried to talk to Burke about the ticket but the former champion had not returned his calls. He said it was absurd that a group would launch a challenge without first contacting him to discuss the issue . . . Butterss said he would be staggered if Thompson, who retired after the home and away season, was part of the ticket. "If he was on the ticket, you could knock me over with a feather," he said. "He is one of the most decent and respected people I know and I'm sure that if he had concerns, he'd pick up the phone." Butterss said two St Kilda directors - Glen Casey and John Gdanski - faced re-election this year. The new group can force a spill of all board positions by gathering petition of members that demands a special annual general meeting. Butterss said he expected the Saints to remain at Moorabbin, despite facing some challenges from Kingston Council.
The Article Daryl Timms/HeraldSun/10Sept07

Butterss pleas to warring parties to sit down and solve problems
. . . Butterss made an impassioned plea for all the warring parties to sit down and solve the problems that he fears could destroy the club. Former St Kilda captain Danny Frawley said yesterday he had been contacted by another former club star, Nathan Burke, to consider joining a challenge to the board. Frawley said he had seen too much infighting in the 12 years he had been involved at St Kilda. "The last thing the club and its new, young coach, Ross Lyon, needs is to have all these people bickering," he said. Club supporters expect those behind the boardroom push will show their hands tomorrow or Tuesday and bring about an extraordinary meeting to overthrow the board. Butterss declined to comment on his feud with former coach Grant Thomas, saying he had said publicly mid-season the matter was over, and he was sticking to that. But he said the legal action by Thomas for a substantial sum of back pay had to be resolved in court. St Kilda's signing of Koschitzke and Fisher follow deals with Nick Dal Santo and Nick Riewoldt. Matt Maguire, Steven Baker and Xavier Clarke, however, still have not reached terms. Koschitzke's manager, Liam Pickering, said the No. 2 draft pick was always keen to stay. "(The players) are pretty tight, so I always was very confident he would sign with St Kilda," Pickering said.
The Article Jon Ralph and Scot Palmer/HeraldSun/09Sept07

Butterss in left dark on rival bid
St Kilda president Rod Butterss said yesterday that he was bewildered that a rival group would today launch a challenge to the Saints board. The group, headed by Gregorys Transport founder Greg Westaway, will announce today that it will launch a rival ticket. The names of those on the ticket, which could include former players Nathan Burke and Andrew Thompson, will be revealed tomorrow. Burke has told friends he will be on the ticket, while the recently retired Thompson has also been approached. Butterss said he had tried to talk to Burke about the ticket but the former champion had not returned his calls. He said it was absurd that a group would launch a challenge without first contacting him to discuss the issue . . . Butterss said he would be staggered if Thompson, who retired after the home and away season, was part of the ticket. "If he was on the ticket, you could knock me over with a feather," he said. "He is one of the most decent and respected people I know and I'm sure that if he had concerns, he'd pick up the phone." Butterss said two St Kilda directors - Glen Casey and John Gdanski - faced re-election this year. The new group can force a spill of all board positions by gathering petition of members that demands a special annual general meeting. Butterss said he expected the Saints to remain at Moorabbin, despite facing some challenges from Kingston Council.
The Article Daryl Timms/HeraldSun/10Sept07








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